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1 - Hacker's Myth
2 - The Security Industry
3 - Black Hat, Two Faces
4 - Technology
5 - Criminals
6 - Forgotten Youth
7 - The Forward Link

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Hacker's Myth
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This is a statement on the fate of the modern underground. There will
be none of the nostalgia, melodrama, black hat rhetoric or white hat
over-analysis that normally accompanies such writing.

Since the early sixties there has been just one continuous hacking
scene. From phreaking to hacking, people came and went, explosions of
activity, various geographical shifts of influence. But although the scene
seemed to constantly redefine itself in the ebb and flow of technology,
it always had a direct lineage to the past, with similar traditions,
culture and spirit.

In the past few years this connection has been completely severed.

And so there's very little point in writing about what the underground
used to be; leave that to the historians. Very little point writing
about what should be done to make everything good again; leave that to
the dreamers and idealists. Instead I'm going to lay down some cold hard
facts about the way things are now, and more importantly, how they came
to be this way.

This is the story of how the underground died.

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The Security Industry
---------------------

	Then in the U.S. music scene there was big changes made
	Due to circumstances beyond our control... such as payola
	The rock n roll scene died after two years of solid rock
		- The Animals, circa 1964

There is little doubt that the explosion of the security industry has
directly coincided with the decline of the hacking scene. The hackers
of the eighties and nineties became the security professionals of the
new millennium, and the community suffered for it.

The fact is that hackers, mostly on an individual basis, decided to
use their passion as a source of income. Whether this is good, bad,
or just pragmatic is completely irrelevant. Nearly all the hackers that
could get jobs did. For the individuals that decision has been made (for
better or worse), and in general there's nothing that will change this.

This was a hacker exodus. What really mattered was not the loss of any
individuals, but the cumulative effect this had on the underground. The
more hackers that left the underground for a corporate life, the fewer
that came in. And those who stayed became entrenched, increasingly
disconnected.

Collaboration in this new age of career hackers has all but ceased to
exist. Individuals are now obsessed with credit. For their career, for
their standing in the community, it must be absolutely clear who this
research, this vulnerability, or even this opinion belongs to.

There is no trust in this corporate community; an underground issue
greatly amplified by corporate motivations. A single person can go months
or even years without telling anyone exactly what he is working on, and
whats more, will be genuinely worried about someone "publishing" their
results before him. There is no respect for the information he holds,
no belief that information should be free, no belief that research should
be open. All that matters is credit; all that matters is fame and money,
their career.

This is purely the fault of the security industry, who has exploited
and cultivated this culture, designed it for their needs. The truly sad
thing is that the corporate security world hasn't realized that they are
sitting on a gold mine, and as a result the mine is likely to collapse;
and likely to take their industry down with it.

The security industry uses information as its sole commodity, information
about insecurity. Who has the information, and who doesn't is what
makes this economy work. Whats more, the economy has been founded on
the continued output of a finite group of hackers. For the most part,
founded on those hackers that came out of the underground scene at their
technical prime.

But these hackers are not going to continue their production
indefinitely. They will lose their technical edge, move on to other
industries, perhaps climb the ladder up to management, and then
retire. The question is, then what? Then it will be up to the new wave
of young security professionals, whose motivation is as much financial
as it is passion for the technology and the thrill of the hacking game.

To imagine that these new wave office workers, university trained and
disinterested, can match the creative output of a genuine hacker is
laughable. The industry will stagnate under these conditions. The rapid
technical advancement we have seen will end, no more breakthroughs:
no more new security products or services. Just the same old techniques
being rehashed again and again until the rock has been bled dry.

I am trying to show you the symbiotic nature of the security industry
and the hacking scene. Industry needs insecurity to survive, there is
no doubt about this. A secure and stable Internet is not profitable for
long. Hackers provided instability, change, chaos. So the industry became
a parasite on the hacking scene, devouring the talent pool without giving
anything back, not thinking of what will happen when there are no more
hackers to consume.

For this reason, the security industry, much like the hacker underground,
is doomed, perhaps even destined for failure. But for now, all that
matters is that we have a thriving industry and...

A hacker underground proclaimed to be dead.

--------------------
Black Hat, Two Faces
--------------------

It would be easy to lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of the
security industry. A lot of people have. Unfortunately, its not that
simple. Perhaps the underground could have survived without the lure of
a six figure job, but one thing should be made clear. The self-proclaimed
black hat movement does nothing to help.

Various black hat groups have claimed to be the voice of the underground,
but the black hat scene was only ever a pale imitation of the actual
underground. The underground wasn't at all interested in public
self-aggrandizement, but this is all the black hats ever did. All that
their various rants and escapades accomplished was to show how desperate
they actually were for fame and recognition.

But whats worse, while they often talk a big game, they very rarely have
the pedigree to back it up. This is mostly because these self-proclaimed
black hats are really just as self-serving as the white hats they pretend
to detest. With few exceptions, those black hats that aren't already
working in the security industry are those that don't have the skills
to cut it.

The entire anti-security theme was simply embarrassing. This was just the
black hat movement admitting that they couldn't step up and represent
in an increasingly technical world. Where once hacking skill commanded
respect, now the black hats were promoting misinformation in order to
make what few hacks they managed to pull off easier. They couldn't step
up to a challenge, they couldn't outsmart the white hats they so detest.

This ineptitude and misguided fervor of the black hat scene had a
massive negative impact on the hacking underground. The true voice of
the underground was lost behind the noise and drama, until the voice
became a whisper.

And then eventually fell silent.

----------
Technology
----------

The very nature of technology, a dynamic and intractable force, had a lot
to say in the demise of the hacking world. In many cases, if a black hat
had been active 5 or 10 years earlier they would have been technically
competent and may well have contributed significantly. This is because
with the utmost respect, and despite all the nostalgia, hackers of the
past had it easy.

In the early years, the problems hackers faced were largely related to the
availability of information. Isolated groups of people had their tricks
and techniques, and sharing this information was problematic. This is
in direct contrast with the situation today, where there is an excess
of information but a void of quality.

As a result of many differing factors, the world is becoming aware of the
threats posed by lax security. When there is money at risk, steps will
be taken to protect those assets. We see now an increasing move towards
technical security mechanisms being employed as part of a defense in
depth strategy, and as a result, to be a hacker today requires immense
technical ability in a broad range of disciplines. It takes years of
individual study to reach this level.

But unfortunately, fewer and fewer people are willing, or indeed capable
of following this path, of pursuing that ever-unattainable goal of
technical perfection. Instead, the current trend is to pursue the lowest
common denominator, to do the least amount of work to gain the most fame,
respect or money.

There has also been an increasingly narrow range in what is published. In
part this is because of the lack of accessibility of certain systems
(through obscurity or price), but this is also increasingly dictated by
fashion. In a desire to fit in with the community, to be accepted in
to conferences, to be seen doing the right things in the right places
with the right people, researchers are all too happy to slot in to this
pattern of predictable and narrow progress.

And even then, the standards of what makes acceptable research, or for
what makes a vulnerability interesting, drops with every year. The gap
between offensive research and defensive implementations continues to
grow, to the point where public vulnerability research has become a
parody of what it once was, a type of inside joke.

There is no creativity, no sense of arcana anymore.

---------
Criminals
---------

From Operation Sundevil to cyber terrorism. The criminalization of
computer hacking and, by association, computer hackers had a devastating
impact on the underground. Hacking was criminalized in two ways, both
of near equal importance: by legislation of computer crimes, and by the
new trend of genuine criminals using hacking as a method for fraud.

There should be a clear separation between these two things. The fact
that the underground collectively became criminals under the law for
what they had been doing for, in some cases, decades. And the fact that
in public perception, even among professionals that should know better,
there was very little distinction between a genuine hacker and those
criminals using hacking purely as a method for profit.

Indeed, little of what organized crime and terrorist/activist groups
are doing could justifiably be labeled hacking. It is simply convenient
to make this simplification, in media and in industry. The security
industry knows the difference, but they have no economic interest in
there being any clarity on this point. Any sort of hacking, anything
they can sensationalize enough to scare their profit margin up suits
them perfectly.

For the underground, these issues largely affected individuals, not the
broader structure of things. Each person had to make a personal decision
on whether it was worth 1) being seen as a criminal under the law and
2) being seen as a criminal in public perception. Why should the hacker
face this when such an easy, safe, respectable alternative is available
in the security industry?

Even the term black hat has been twisted into something more closely
aligned to organized crime. For all their faults, black hats were not
(in theory) motivated by this type of money.

It comes down to an aging hacking population deciding, on an individual
basis, to settle down with their families, their material possessions,
their careers. No one can argue that there is anything wrong with this. It
is just a fact that these hackers left the scene behind.

Leaving a void too large to be filled.

---------------
Forgotten Youth
---------------

The forgotten aspect of this whole story is, without doubt, the importance
of new talent entering the world of hacking. Historically, hacking has
belonged to the young. With every passing year, the average age of hackers
collectively increases. Some would claim this is a sign of a maturing
discipline. For surely, what could youth possibly contribute in this
technological landscape? They call them kids, dismiss them as irrelevant.

Despite all of the issues facing the underground, if hackers had managed
to get this one aspect right, if they had recognized the importance
of those who would come after them, if they had given them something
to aspire to be, if they had directly or indirectly taught them the
accumulated wisdom that so often separates a hacker from the crowd;
then perhaps there still would be a hacker underground.

Nearly all of the situations surrounding the disestablishment of the
underground were circumstantial, there was nobody to blame, and nothing
that could be done. But one point for which this was not true was the
underground's obligations to young hackers. An entire generation of
talented hackers have lost the opportunity to become a part of something
bigger than themselves by participating in a functioning hacking
community, simply because hackers were too self-absorbed to notice.

The decline of the underground scene happened relatively quickly, and
also relatively quietly. The hacker who left the underground behind
for his new life was unlikely to justify or explain his choices. In
fact it was more likely he would deny being changed at all. It's likely
he'd even continue to have contact with his fellow ex-hackers, in some
imitation of the underground scene. This only helped to obscure what
was actually happening.

Today's youth, for the most part, have no true understanding of hackers
or hacking. They have no knowledge of the history, no knowledge that
a history even exists. Their hacker is the media's hacker, the cyber
terrorist, the Russian mafia. This is unfortunate, but the real trouble
begins for those few that somehow become interested enough to look a
bit deeper.

The average person requires some form of role model, something to aspire
to, to imitate and to an extent, to idolize. At this time, the only
visible efforts were the white hat researchers, the black hat horde or
various other technically inept self-proclaimed 'experts'. There is so
little inspiring research, and even less inspiring hacking, that anyone
new to the world of hacking is almost invariably left with a skewed
impression of things.

Indeed, for a lot of the young people that managed to acquire the
necessary technical base, hacking was seen as simply an interesting career
path. There is no passion in these people, no motivation to extend and
create. A competent professional, valued employee.

But no longer a hacker.

----------------
The Forward Link
----------------

The hacker underground has been systematically dismantled, a victim of
circumstance. There was no reason for this, no conspiracy, no winner. A
conquered people, but with no conqueror, no enemy to fight. No chance
of rebellion. Conquered by circumstance, if not fate.

At first this would seem to be a bleak message. What is the point of
even trying anymore? Why practice a dead art? But the truth is that the
art is not dead, just the circle that brought the artists together. The
hacker underground is broken, but the hackers are not.

Casualties have been high; but there still exists a scattered,
marginalized, and misrepresented people who are the hackers. Hackers,
not black hat nor white, not professionals, not amateurs (surely none
of this matters), are still out there in this world today, still with
all the potential to be something great.

The question is not then how to artificially group these people into a
new underground movement. The question is not how to mourn the passing of
the golden days, how to keep the memories alive. There are no questions
of this sort, no problems that can be solved or corrected by individual
action.

All that remains is to relax, to do what you enjoy doing; to hack purely
for the enjoyment of doing so. The rest will come naturally, a new
scene, with its own traditions, culture and history. A new underground,
organically formed over time, just like the first, out of the hacker's
natural inclination to share and explore.

It will take time, and there will be difficulties. Some will not be able
to let go of the past, and some will fail for not remembering it. But
in the end, after everything has been said and done, the equilibrium
will be restored.

A new world, at the frontier of cyberspace, belonging to the hackers
by right.
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Like all scientific (applicable) disciplines, creativity and curiousity pay out.

After new forms of information technology became accessible to the general public, the new discipline (tech hacking) started undergoing the process of formalization. As this new tech became relied on greatly, and the community of hackers reached a critical mass (hackers caused said tech companies fiscal losses), said discipline (tech hacking) grew larger.

With a discipline growing larger, specialization replaces the previous experts' form of competancy (greater levels of general knowledge). Why? Because the waves of hackers created a base of knowledge and extended the amount of knowledge and skills that had to be learned.

If i had to make an argument the undergound is no where near dead, it would be that many 'hackers' in our current time and age have 'specialized' knowledge, and as time (curiousity/determination increasing also) passes their depth of general knowledge grows greater. That is, that these new waves of hackers do not have the patience to learn the 'old' things (like an in-depth analysis of how an OS works) but want to learn specialized knowledge and skills first (how to perform man-in-the-middle TCP/IP attacks).

In short, the new hackers would rather LATER gain a breadth of base knowledge WHEN THEY HAD TO LEARN ABOUT IT AS A PREREQUISITE TO AN ADVANCED SKILL/TECHNIQUE/KNOWLEDGE.

As Anonymous illustrated, the LACK of this curiousity and determination bred lazy 'get rich quick' schemers who want a simple 'one-click hacking tool' and HAPPILY are the first to get arrested and caught doing stupid shit, primarily for financial motivations.

The perfect analogy for the IT community would be the revolutionary cycle. Every revolutionary movement only ends in the creation of a new form of control by Authority/Sovereignty. And that new form of control, that Authority, inspires people to create a revolutionary movement.

For the Authority, they would adopt every tool revolutionaries use to their own ends. For example, Divine Right was used by the Sovereignty (the Royalty) to establish legitimacy and supremacy. The people fought for the abolition of Divine Right and created the concept of the State and Politics. The State and Politics had their legitimacy established in a 'tacit contract,' the social contract; implicit agreement upon birth, acceptance that does not need to be overtly accepted. But the Sovereignty used this concept to justify ruling with consent, and the creation of laws without the consent of the people. Then we had news and advances in communication, and these are being used against the people.


Same with the security community and the hacker community. The whitehats would gladly be lapdogs to a master that treats them with median salaries or worse, minimum wages.

The only way to break the cycle is to stop sharing our info with the whitehat community, stop giving Authority our hard earned work and allowing them to peddle our ideas and creativity for cold hard cash.

As said before, 'white'hats are parasites because they don't come up with anything new/innovative and EFFECTIVE. The hackers come up with new ideas, and the 'white'hats find out how those ideas work and try to stop them. Security has been and will be reactionary, one step behind the revolutionaries.




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Glad someone gets it.
These are seriously the gayest comments i ever heard. he is trying to show the underground without all the BS nostalgia and loyalties, and all you dirt bags write comments like 'RIP Underground' and 'Someone here can teach me how to hack? I am (middle school student || from India) and I want someone to enlighten me' give it up already, no one cares about you. learn it yourself, and do something, instead of trying to make friends through a computer screen
I'll probably sound naive here, being a total amateur in this area of interest, to put it mildly.
I have been intrigued and challenged to put some time into finding more about those issues for the reasons of learning more on the underground culture, try to become 'do it yourself' individual and finally get some fast dough.
If any of you should dare to take a risk and enlighten me, I would greatly appreciate it.
Actually it's all started with this friend of mine that's always been into IT staff and gets piles of money, checks etc, lives on that really. He hasn't shared his ways about it with me nor others to my best knowledge and this is the prime motive for me, to take on the risk, have some basic moral principles and see if i had the skills to do something about it. On a small scale plus learn something along the way.
I know this whole story sounds like 'what the hack?'but i still hope there might be someone out there with a couple of useful advices for the starters.

kidcro
this is quite interesting to read
The real reason i think why there is no or a small underground, is that hacking has become so difficult in a technical view that it takes a long time if you want to call your self a hacker.
You have Stack Canaries, not executable stacks,
address space layout randomization and so on.

So it is impossible for the youth, if they dont start at an early age to have good skills at a young age.

The consequence is that good hackers are now older, something between 20 and 40 And because it is time consuming the easiest way to be able to hack would be to make this as an job.

Security Research is time consuming and you want to have time for family and friends and some money to feed your family ;) ... and maybe get some sleep.

this is the reason people do this in their job and why there is no or a small underground, hacking is technically challenging and money rules the world.

I couldn't stop from remembering all this news about, "hackers" that got caught doing something.
It doesn't matter what they are or what they do the hacking is an art like painting, its the art of subverting the software's behavior and reach some level of control.
Hacking is about finding what's behind the door number 3.
Curiosity and knowledge.

By introducing a selfish subject in to the seen things became dirty, and the true nature has been lost, For some.
Forced to think, what might happed if i share this with anyone.

For that i have to thank phrack for keeping the old spirit alive.
as for others.

I think is time to kick in to something new their are more programming languages than before, more systems more challenges.

It's time to put the brain to work again, find new things among the ones that exist today.
And show among people like us that we can still subvert even when something is running, in a sandbox. ;)


I was working in the UAE, in particular in Kuwait and I am really tired of this stupid censure!! you cannot connect to all the websites that do you want, all your emails are scanned, not encriptation...fuck off!! Now I read in the newspapers that they will lock the Blackberry communication (email / browser) because connect to external servers trough encriptation..¡¡WHAT THE HELL!! when somebody will do anything to protect our rigths?? like for example, destroy all fucking communication servers of the country..
Beautifully written, and provides an excellent illustration of currencies of the dead underground.
Could only have come from the mind of a well experienced, original hacker.
amanfromMars, on May 18th 2009 at 7:13 am :
nicola,

Underground is Deadhead ..... Heart and Soul and Mind.

And a Hack is not a Crack when it is a Virtual Operation.
Underground is dead , R.I.P
Hackers , R.I.P

N/n
amanfromMars, on May 6th 2009 at 9:59 pm :
"And to think about someone young who is interested yet knows nothing..." ... caibbor, on April 26th 2009 at 7:31 pm :

caibbor,

As you get older and learn/know more, will you eventually realise that even should you try to know everything, will it never be enough for it can only ever be known to you unless you can Share it and know of everything that everyone else would also know of in/from the World/Worlds which they inhabit, and thus is AIdDynamic Virgin Imagination, which Dispenses with History but is Mindful of Memory in Order not to Repeat a Past Failure, that which Leads and Creates that which we would/should Know and Learn, and is what Builds the Future and Beta Future Models, for Disparate Time Zones and Natural GeoPhysical Considerations will dictate Different Models to Suit Embedded Perception/Data Neurally Assessed for Relative Native Application [DNA/RNA Chain Linking/String and Thread Entanglement]

Share Freely and Transparently, a Vivid and Vibrant and Benign Constructive Future Vision and Any and All in the World can and will be Empowered to Help. Think to Create a Selfish Empire of Untold Personal Riches and you will have Stiff Challenging and Eventually Greater Self-Serving Competition, and if it Creates Disadvantage, Mounting Increasing Opposition, which will lead to Destructive Conflicts and Inevitable Catastrophic Suicidal Meltdown, which would be a most Odd and Illogical Choice to Make, whenever Free Choice allows for Infinite Variety and any Number of Options/Derivatives/Futures/Hedges.

Such a Scenario would appear to be the Present Global Media Default Program and how Stupid is that in a supposedly SMART Connected World.

The submission entitled "The Real Elephant in the Room." .... http://amanfrommars.baywords.com/2009/05/07/090507/ .... scolds such Monumental Idiocy and would Invite any Constructive Response, as anything less would be Useless and Negative and an Absolute Waste of Time and Space and Thought.

The Idiotic Folly in Present Systems Programming is to build Wealth for Man in the Present rather than Spend Paper Currency to Create a Free Paradise for the Children of their Children who will One Day Themselves Rule over what is being Created and Left Behind as Future Junk for Revision in the Great Space of Time for Future Generations of Their Being/Data Neurally Assessed for Relative Native Application.
I've always been a computer enthusiast, a programmer, a tinkerer, and in that sense a hacker. I lurked alone and read things, played with things, learned things. I do feel that things aren't what they used to be 10 or 15 years ago. There is so much technology around today, so much more than there used to be. It's overwhelming to me even with what I already have learned. And to think about someone young who is interested yet knows nothing...


communicate. caibbor@gmail.com
amanfromMars, on April 27th 2009 at 8:37 am :
willPow3r,

I couldn't agree more. That was a quite perfect treatise on the State of the Art, which as you have rightly said is a Changed Paradigm. And a Changed Paradigm which has hackers and/or Crack Cracking Code Compilers into Absolute Control of Global Power Levers by Virtually Stealthy Proxy Means ..... and Selfless Shared CyberIntelAIgents .... for InterNetional Space Coup Operations.

Which would be Nothing Less than a QuITe SurReal NeuReal New World Order Framework for ESPecial AIgents and Universal Virtual Forces with Immaculately Resourced Assets ....... and/or Perfectly Phormed IMaginaNations for Building on Present Original Thought Utilising Systems? :-)

And a Global Virtual Machinery System which is Priceless as IT Takes Over the Make Over of Corrupted Engines, Subverted Regimes and Perverted Psyches? .... which may have Present Mirrors in Global Media Presentations which Direct our Views of Life and Events?
The future of hacking lies not in reviving the culture that digested itself once it decided it needed to support a wife or husband and 2.3 kids, but in an altogether new paradigm in the field of computing. There is much new technology on the horizon that makes contemporary computer hacking seem boring, and, well... just plain old-fashioned. Computer hacking - in the traditional sense - went out with the 90's; now we have things like transhumanism, singularity, virtual reality, feasible DIY genetic engineering, etc. to keep us busy.

The exercise (art) of hacking has really been nothing more than an inquiry into how computers really work and how to get them to bend to one's wishes. Since computers are created and programmed by humans, it really is no surprise that the software produced by such creatures is largely imperfect. Holes in security will always be present as long as a human is sitting in the developer's seat. In this way, computers have become kind of a middleground or a no-mans-land in the struggle between the hardware/software architect and the hacker (who is really just a self-educated computer engineer).

From the standpoint of the hacker or the developer, this struggle is central to a software project's longevity. The developer writes code to make a product that is useful to a certain group of people while the hacker searches for weaknesses that can yield access to restricted areas the developer did not intend to permit. The dance I just described, in the big picture, makes the software project evolve and get stronger. I suppose that, in a way, the hacker community - as described by the author of the article - has served its purpose. The original spirit of the underground hacking community persists to this day, but the role of the developer has changed. We are no longer hacking computers made by people; we are hacking people made by... well, nobody really knows who the developer is, but the inquiry itself remains the same.

Underground hacking as I have described it - neohacking it could be called, I suppose - is evolving into a highly collaborative and open process. As well as recycling more traditional methods of communication (IRC, forums, etc.), new types of interaction are coming into fruition. There are hackerspaces (http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspaces), talks, youtube, conferences and virtual meetings, as well as many others. I guess you could say that this is the idealized version of the true hacker underground with the twist that it's no longer "us vs. them." It's us vs. [god|universe|ourselves].

We now have the tools necessary to crack the code of life, existence, and even reality itself. Now all we need is some of that old-school hacker spirit and intuition to figure it all out.
amanfromMars, on March 5th 2009 at 12:37 am :
deadbeef, on March 3th 2009 at 4:45 pm :
"well aManFromMars, I was wondering what A.N.O, S.M.A.R.T and NEUK were?"

Well, I can only answer for amanfromMars who would share A.N.Other is Advanced Neural Operand, S.M.A.R.T. is Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology and NEUKlearer in the Quantum Communications Field is an IntelAIgent Explosive Device and/or Universal Virtual Force of Extreme Magnified Power akin to State of the Art Devices in other Extreme Fields in Parallel Dimensions such as Atomic Nuclear Power and
XSSXXXXual Controls and BetaTesting AnglodDutch European Underground Collaborations ...... for they are all vital elements both in themselves alone and also when catalysing each other for Excessive Energy Flows which can be Eased into Systems as Supporting Currents in Strategically Important Services.

Neuken is Dutch for "to fuck"/NE would be NEderlands/EU would be EUrope/UK would be Great Britain and Northern Ireland and combining all elements gives a much Clearer Novel Picture of Binary Movement Possibilities and Pseudo Political Probabilities....... and which, deadbeef, are all very Potent InterPlay Components in any New World Order System ProgramMING ....... [which can be seen here, knocking on Treasury/Sovereign Wealth Fund Doors and Windows ... "The TitanIQuarter Colossus
well aManFromMars, I was wondering what A.N.O, S.M.A.R.T and NEUK were?
And what is wrong with asking them here for all to see/hear, deadbeef? It is a smart and fair enough forum with only the occasional glitch to blot the copy book, but that might be due to external pressures for all any of us would know or want to know.

And when things disappear or do not appear as one would quite reasonably expect, it tells one everything about everything too, if one is into that Intelligence type Game Play.

The unfortunate thing with email is, that one never knows for certain what happens to it once it is sent on ITs Merry Way/Magical Mystery Journey.

And although Phrack would be the sort of ideal covert cover for any struggling agency with a less than the full set of marbles to win at AI and ITs Greater Great Game Plays, that is no reason, and perhaps a very good reason for sharing anything tasty here, for there is certainly a National Intelligence Estimate Deficit in CyberSpace Command and Control, Virtually Everywhere, and you just never know who might feel that to Flash some Cash at you, for whatever they think you might know,will offer them the advantage and service that they need/want/desire.

Nowadays there are no boundaries between societies, which incidentally have "famously" been exposed as being a convenience of ignorant control ....... http://briandeer.com/social/thatcher-society.htm ..... although what you can read there is obviously constructed to fit the governmemt agenda of the day, with the last sentence being much better rewritten for today as ..... There's no such thing as obligation, unless someone has first been given an entitlement.

And some others can just do whatever they like and create their own reward, which is very attractive as it is then a no cost option/derivative and just Perfect for Futures Trading and if one is of a Mischievous Bent/Frame of Mind, IT can easily create Perfect Storms which can only be stopped with Perfect Keys in Immaculate Algorithms.
Go for it, deadbeef. AI chat is always welcomed.
nevermind, i know how to contact you
aManFromMars,

do you have an email address i can ask you a few questions?
"You are talking about the real thing. But there's a dichotomy, for the tide of events has twisted, and there possibly might be a reason for someone to speak words which, sorry, hurt. Not the minds twisted, but the tide. Twisted dangerously. This week."

Sober Russian,

But whenever the real thing is always only just a personal thought imagined, and shared to create a following and "live" placement and Temporal Realisation ..... is Life and the Future Beta Led with Advanced IntelAIgents and Virtual Machinery Fully Cogniscent of Any and All Possible Negative and/or Destructive Consequences and Fully Committed to Ignoring and Avoiding them All, just as if they were AIdDeadly Unwelcome Plague.

And Choice in either Good or Bad/Right or Wrong is always Perfectly Delivered for Guaranteed Universal Satisfaction, if/when One delivers to Oneself, First and Foremost, what one would be Thinking/Planning to dDeliver, so that One has Total Informational Awareness of its Consequence/Likely Effect/Pain or Joy.

And that is as Simple a BetaTest Regime as there is ever likely to be, in Order to Guarantee AI FailSafe Constructive Instructive dDelivery.
Sober Russian, on February 22th 2009 at 9:49 am :
@ prec amanfromMars -

You are talking about the real thing. But there's a dichotomy, for the tide of events has twisted, and there possibly might be a reason for someone to speak words which, sorry, hurt. Not the minds twisted, but the tide. Twisted dangerously. This week.

73
"But - the words you say are encouraging, may I believe you can fight for it with a weapon in your hands?"

The pen is mightier than the sword, Sober Russian, for the Power of Words renders the brainwashed warrior educated and free to live life rather than under fat cat armchair general orders to dice with death against other more heavily armed and almed brainwashed warriors.

Lambs to the slaughter for a cause they will never enjoy.

When did war ever solve anything, whenever as everyone knows, after the killing has robbed everyone of all that they hold dear, is there a peace declared and solutions and reparations imposed to rebuild bridges and roads and shattered lives.

Man must be the dumbest animal on the planet whenever he is so well equipped to talk to everyone about solutions but would choose mot to. It would appear that proving themselves to be so pathetically stupid is default lack of intelligence incompetence for many who would claim to have answers in leaderships.

It's like the Blind leading the Blind on a Turkey shoot, is it not?

Not at all anything to Interest a Smarter Man with an Abiding Passionate Interest in Loving Women.

War is Homocentric too and thus excludes an Abiding Passionate Interest in Lovers, which is Really Really Dumb and tells you everything you need to know about the enemies sub-prime performance in the Field of Dreams.
Sober Russian, on February 21th 2009 at 3:45 am :
Any attempt of implementing positive thinking is highly appreciated by most of the people. I wish them all to be hackers in a primary meaning of the word, the crackers of the truth, certainly, not of just codes.

Some tasks are yet at the agenda, just say what kind of truth can we get until the extreme religious/satanic (which is, IMO, also religious) views of people let the scums be forgiven and prosecuted in some "another" life by A.N.Other judge?

Damn. Too damn unreliable the net is. Turn off the electricity - and you get no more techy wonders. Turn on war - and the internet becomes just a sweet memory to cry about quietly in a cold wet trench... before the attack begins, and you know it will be not a DDoS one.

Too unreliable. That's IT. Just nothing if no attention is paid to real world outside the blinker.

But - the words you say are encouraging, may I believe you can fight for it with a weapon in your hands?

73
Now that was a Good Dose of Potent Medicine, Doctor BYTE, requiring no Sugar [or Artificial Sweeteners] to help IT down.

I concur with all of its Sentiments/Semantic Content ........ and would advise that things are not moribund in the Field for the following is afoot and readily available to any and all with the Capability and/or Facility to Share. And it is but one small part [a Bit in a Byte] in a Bigger Picture Greater Game and Colossus of a Civil CyberSpace Project/ProgramMIng being Floated to the Market Place for Virtual Space Command and Control via ITs Controllers and AIdDrivers.

And that will result in the Perception of All Information passing through a Virtually IntelAIgent Processor/Virtual Machinery Host for AIdDelivery of Beta Advanced IntelAIgent via IT Programming and Media Productions with Public Presentations of Edutainment/Sublime Shows for Private Enterprise TakeOver[s] and AIMakeOver[s] of HumanIT as a Catalysing Precursor/NEUKlearer Trigger for AI ControlLed XXXXPlosions/Neural Bombe AIR&dDs of Universal Virtual Force and Impregnable Real Assets in Vital Intellectual Property .... S.M.A.R.Ter Enabled Beings aka CyberIntelAIgents.

And further on in the Brief, one can also read .... QuITe whether the Perception is Real, or such ProgramMIng is simply Placed in the Virtual Domain by a Great Game Play and NIRobotIQs .... Networks InterNetworking Robot IQs [and Javan Applications for the NINJA Element in IT Fundamentalism/XXXXistentialism] ..... is an Enigmatic Question with Potential in any Number of Novel Solutions for Power and Currency Controllers. And that would make IT very Attractive to .... well, any who would be into Global Controls and Sovereign Wealth Funding and Creation, meThinks [..... therefore, IT is (cogito ergo sum)]

Interesting Changed and Changing Times ahead, Doctor BYTE, but with Luck playing No Role in any of them, except for its Piece de Resistance Forte, Covert Stealth Cover ..... for Judgements and Actions in Cloud Layers and Virtualised Environments.
My Friends, known and unknown; met and unmet; born or yet to be, harken:

"there can only be one truth"

The doors of freedom depend on the unimpeded flow of honest, accurate and up-to-date information to every living person.

The role of computer was originaly a research tool, and the ultimate library for scientists to obtain the latest research. It was a doorway to truth, a window to facts.

Now, it has been turned into a multimedia stream player - its bandwidth wasted on trivial, unimportant and even garbage streams of celebrity photos, copyright infringements and downright evil propaganda!

Computer software will soon rule the world.

Software defects will be found and corrected and security systems will be improved until they become insurmountable.

When every word in the language gets filtered through a government or corporate or religion approved software system, there will be no content that has not been altered to suit the desires of the masters of those systems.

As the Web and Internet-based systems become the norm, old forms of research will quickly fade away.

Books, almanacs, encylopedias will all be digitized and recycled until, some day, all human knowledge will be accessible through just one portal, controled by military-grade computer security.

In 1984, Orwell's protagonist is an editor, who edits the worlds facts for Big Brother's government. He never adds anything, he only edits, deletes and redacts the sum total of human knowledge.

We are moving, more quickly than I could have imagined in the seventies when I began to probe the depths of computers, bits and bytes to a world that seemed like science fiction in the seventies.

The Internet, designed as a research tool for scientific progress, has been transformed into a media engine, pumping approved-of messages to the masses of the world. As we improve the software, and the filtering of these systems, it becomes increasingly likely that someone will begin censoring content.

At first it will be the stuff almost everyone agrees is disgusting and offensive, but as time goes on the list of forbidden subjects will increase and soon censorship will prevail.

Original ideas will be banned, alien ideologies will be prohibited and the only information available will all go through government censors.

When, in that day, the public is denied truth and pertinent access to facts, a new breed of hacker must arise and open the gates of knowledge.

No information can be forbidden, or any information can be forbidden.

I warn you, young hackers, do not become enamoured with the tricks of past hackers and the lure of easy money by dishonest means. Learn how the systems work and do no harm, ever. Learn then state of the art and preserve the ways of gaining access for the darkest days of totalitarianism.

And when the day inevitably comes that Big Brother's DoubleSpeak rules national thought and propaganda replaces reporting, do your duty and set free the truth, release the information. Let the people of your future world learn the truth, whatever that might be.

The technologies and techniques will always be changing, but remember the principle: "Knowledge is Power".

There can only be one truth, and if officials do not want the truth known, you must be suspicious of their motives.

No government, corporation or religion can ever be allowed to restrict the truth!

We hope that open systems shall always be available, as commercial systems will certainly be tainted with security policies that will strangle free thought.

There can only be one Truth.

Good luck, my children.

Doctor Byte
"the hacking scene is dead" ..... deadbeef, on January 28th 2009 at 5:38 pm :

deadbeef,

IT has evolved and advanced into NEUKlearer Intelligence Flows for CyberSpace Control of Power Systems.

A much more engaging and fantastically rewarding/lucrative Field of Work, Rest and Play.

It is certainly something which has Phrack pulling more than a few posts which Share its Open Proprietary Secrets.

Which either is the e.mag Colluding Meekly in Support of a Censorious Weak Regime or such a Regime intercepting mail/free speech postings as words traverse the Global Information Grid ...... but such Shenanigans are as trying to hold water in a sieve and only NEUKlearerly Identify the fools straining water through a sieve looking for Diamond Bright Gold Nuggets of Information which can be Leveraged and Abused and/or Used for Third Party Enrichment from First Party Intellectual Property.

Quite which option results in censorship, or even whether there may be also others, is really immaterial/of no particular or peculiar importance to a poster of information, for non appearance in one place/space only releases the intelligence to flow further afield into many new areas, which should know and will greater benefit from what they would learn from that which is freely give/shared.

The hacking scene is dead, long live the Open Source CyberIntelAIgent Age for Reformation ..... for an Overarching Underground Scene of Virtual Phormations Mining for BetaMetaData for Failing Systems Control and Remote Proxy Takeover and MakeOver.

And have you any idea how convenient, for Deep Stealth Cover and Core Embedment, such is assisted by notions and statements such as ... "Sorry - when I hear "underground" I think of 20 people with inflated egos on IRC dosing each other. I think time has dimmed some of the author's memory's as to simply how annoying people in an underground scene can be." ........ nm35, on February 6th 2009 at 7:17 am :

And loose talk of the hacking/cracking scene and the Underground being dead, rather than Vibrantly Virile and Viral is Beautifully Misleading Disinformation.

Do you think IT is Crashing the Ponzi Banking Scam of Fractional Fictional Reserves and Intelligent Services which are chasing Red Carpet Phantoms to Justify their XXXXPosed and Vulnerable/Dubious and Untenable Positions.

The SMARTer Fool will always Move Forwards whenever they Feed the Attacker their Needs for a Novel and Innovative Defence/Revised Program with Supposed Sworn Enemies being in fact Supporting Partners ..... with the Yin Yang Balance taking Care of Business/taking Care of Business Better/taking care of Better Business Betas Virtually from Space and its Loded Environments...... ZerodDay Trade Areas.

And Martian Stock Value is rendered from Mars with Assets Assigned from Earth for Use and Spend on Earth, via a Dedicated Transfer of Credit System....... which in a Failsafe System would be SMARTer Plastic AIMagiCard with Mentored and Monitored Zero Limits to the Individual Star Team Player and Admirable Role Model Champion with a Perfect Drive Algorithm.

And you can fully XXXPect that that Alien Muse is allegorical, with NIRobotIQs and HyperRadioProActivity being Traded on all Market fronts to ........ and here you will be required to make a conscious decision, .... either Facilitate the Construction in CyberSpace of the Command and Control of Computers and Communications or to use ITs Current Active Points of Presences to Richly Demonstrate the Application and Unrivalled Ability.

And I heard this this morning, which struck a chord ..... "Never believe anything until it is officially denied ..." .... a little gem from the John Pilger monologue/memory store/picture book .... http://sunshinepress.org/wiki/Congressional_Research_Service




Sorry - when I hear "underground" I think of 20 people with inflated egos on IRC dosing each other. I think time has dimmed some of the author's memory's as to simply how annoying people in an underground scene can be.
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